Monday, December 16, 2013

#84- Nature Points to MY Religion/God!

"Do they not look at the Camels, how they are made? And at the Sky, how it is raised high? And at the Mountains, how they are fixed firm? And at the Earth, how it is spread out? Therefore do thou give admonition, for thou art one to admonish." [Al-Qur'an 88:17-21]

"Verily, in the alternation of the night and the day, and in all that Allah hath created, in the heavens and the earth, are signs for those who fear Him." [Al-Qur'an 10:6]

"Do ye not see that Allah has subjected to your (use) all things in the heavens and on earth, and has made his bounties flow to you in exceeding measure, (both) seen and unseen? Yet there are among men those who dispute about Allah, without knowledge and without guidance, and without a Book to enlighten them!" [Al-Qur'an 31:20]

"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." [Romans 1:20 NIV]

"Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy."
[Acts 14:17]

The verses  above are from the Holy Qur'an and Holy Bible respectively.  They are often used as proof that nature as we know it demonstrates a god exists.  The person who uses these verses almost always refers to their own favorite deity.

I wish I had comparable examples from other religious traditions but I think this kind of thinking is uniform throughout the world.  The thought of an author expressing their knowledge of the world in poetry or metaphorically is almost never considered by believers.  If a mistake or an anomaly is found within a phrase then it is usually assumed that the reader misunderstood the verse.

This is the kind of thing that has led to the current tug-o-war in the debate between Creationists and advocates of the natural world.  Creationists MUST have some sort of agent working behind the scene toiling at the mechanics of the known reality.



The verse in the Christian book of "Romans" is often used to demonstrate that people actually believe in the Jewish gods whether they admit it or not.  This "book" is attributed to the character "Paul".  Paul does not concern himself with how nature works.  He is a religious writer and is superstitious.  How exactly can a person derive that an agent with "eternal power" and is "divine" had anything to do with nature?  That is not spelled out but this pompous and presumptuous claim is just thrown out there.

Even if the audience accepts the premise that nature proves that gods are possible, it does not follow to explain which gods.  Perhaps this is the reason that reading the entrails of livestock became so popular with some worshipers.

Accepting gods just opens up more questions.  The two religions sampled here are cousin religions.  Both are spin-offs of Judaism.  Judaism is itself a hodgepodge of various local myths.  If you get a group of Muslims and Christians in a room to hash out the details that they derive from nature you will get a variety of results.


The gods never seem to be able to defend themselves.  They always seem to need proxies to pander to humans who are skeptical of claims.  I think that there is a very good reason for that.  That reason is that the believers are just making things up as they go along.

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